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MY OPINION R2. As the Chairman I would confirm R2. Blue initiates an inside arm spin. As Blue turns his back towards Red, Red catches Blue stopping the attack and pulls him back towards the mat. Blue did not land in danger nor did he take himself to parterre. Red took him to parterre and completed the takedown. No leg foul on Red, No Slip Throw for Blue. R2. Tim Pierson
Richard Chamberlain · R2, no leg foul by red. Blue starts a throw but does not maintain a hold of the arm and regains the arm once he lands on the mat.
Joel Sturtevant I would actually feel the need to call a conference on this particular action. I would ask (the referee especially because of his position) if it was possible that red committed a leg foul while scoring the take-down. If one of the two other officials seen the leg foul I would confirm that. In my opinion this is an offensive leg foul by red, attention Red if this is the first offensive leg foul, or Caution and 1 if this is the second offensive leg foul. If neither official seen the possibility of a leg foul I would confirm R2. Red countered blues initial attack, this is not a slip throw in my opinion
Good Morning Everyone;
Over the past few weeks, I have had numerous discussions with referees and coaches regarding Initiation and Risk as they pertain to evaluating a scoring action. I would like to share some thoughts with you. Now before you pummel me with “What if” questions, my comments are NOT meant to be a rule set as there are way too many scenarios to address every situation that happens on the mat. My comments are a generalized thought process in order to attempt to simplify Initiation and Risk as they pertain to the totality of a scoring action.
Every scoring action in wrestling has three phases; Initiation, Transition, and Completion. A simple concept in discussion, yet very challenging in application.
First phase – Initiation. Initiation phase begins when a wrestler initiates/starts an offensive action. Initiating an Action is not synonymous with Taking Risk. Just because a wrestler initiates an action, does not mean the action is all theirs. They must transition their attack (take risk) in order to score points.
Second phase – Transition. The Transition phase is where “RISK” occurs. A wrestler transitioning their attack will take Risk and expose themselves to danger. This is the basic difference between Initiation and Transition. Initiation does not expose a wrestler to danger as Risk does expose a wrestler to danger while attempting to score. One wrestler can initiate an action and the other wrestler can take the risk and complete the action. The phrase, “he/she took the move from him/her” is commonly used during the transition phase when this happens. It’s very important to understand risk and who’s taking it.
Third phase – Completion. Completion phase is when a wrestler completes an action and scores points. Evaluating the completion phase has been simplified for us by Zach Errett. Zach has given us three simple questions to ask ourselves when we are in the completion phase of an action; 1-“Where did they Start – Standing or Parterre?” 2-“How did they land-Danger or Not?” 3-“Was it Grand Amp or Not?” If you can answer these three simple questions when you are in the third phase, you can quickly score the action.
So if we look at this in the simplest of terms. A wrestler will:
1-Initiate the action, (Starts an attack).
2-Transition the action. (Takes risk).
3-Complete the action. (Scores points).
I hope you find this helpful. Tim Pierson
MY OPINION R4. As the Judge, I would offer R4. Red attacks with a blast double and drive Blue straight to danger. Feet to Back. Blue did throw Red up and over, however, the momentum of the attack, no change in direction of the attack, and Red did not lose her lock, Blue should not be awarded a counter-attack by awarding Red 2 points. R4. Tim Pierson
Joel Sturtevant · I would offer R4 - Red attacks with a double leg from the standing position, Blue locks up a chest wrap and rolls thru, but does not stop or change the direction of Red's attack. Red maintains hold (the lock) of both legs during the roll thru.
1. Red starts the action
2. Blue does not change direction
3. Red maintains lock
4. Feet to danger
Fellas, My apologies. I reloaded the video.
MY OPINION B2-B1. As the Jury, I would confirm B2-B1. Red initiates an action with a slide by. As Red attempts to pass behind Blue, both wrestlers scramble for control. The scramble takes the wrestlers from their feet to parterre. While in parterre, Red has a side body lock but is unable to successfully get behind Blue’s hips and control action. Blue has an exceptional counter-attacking and is able to come up from parterre preventing the takedown. While Blue is up, he is able to re-attack and spin behind Red for the takedown. R2. Both wrestlers were on the edge in parterre. Since the action was continuous, I would allow Blue to complete his attack. Red loses the challenge. B1. Tim Pierson
Richard Chamberlain ·Joel nailed it. :-)
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MY OPINION R2. As the Referee, I would offer R2. Blue initiates a body-lock. As Blue is trying to bend Red towards his own back, Red counter-attacks Blue with lateral-drop changing the direction of the attack, and completes the action. R2. Tim Pierson